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as a matter of fact, why should i wait? i'm going to do it this sunday, about 6:30 or 7:00 on the evening in sunday. i'm gg to park myself at the new york public library for about four hours and read everything i can find about sports. nothing else going on, is there? thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. outfront tonight, is it mourning in america for president president obama. does the blockbusters jobs number foreshadow his election. >> also, breaking news on the doping charges against lance armstrong. >> and iran warning israel. let's go outfront. outfront tonight, party like it's 1984. the obama administration celebrating because today's job news might really start to seal the deal for re-election. that's his hope unemployment in
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america fell to 8.3% as the country added 243,000 jobs. >> the recovery is speeding up. and we have to do everything in our power to keep it going. >> which reminds us of another president who found himself in a similar situation during his re-election year. >> i am pleased to report that america is much improved. and there's good reason to believe that improvement will continue through the days come. >> raegen won on this. >> it's morning again in america. today, more men and women will go to work than ever before in our country's history. with interest rates at about half the record highs of 1980. >> tonight, we ask a question we asked before, actually last menth when the jobs picture improved. is this morning in america for barack obama. in january of 1984, months
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before reagan was re-elected, the unemployment rate was 8%. compare that to today's 8.3%. by the time election day rolled around, the unemployment rate was 7.4%. even though it was the highest unemployment rate for a re-elected president since world war ii. voters felt a recovery was in full swing. but this president in 2012 still has a tough road ahead. take a look at the pie, how many people have lost their jobs since this financial crisis began. 8.7 million people. since the recession began in 20008. now, under president obama, we have regained 3.2 million of those jobs. that's about 37% of the pie. it's significant. it's a trend that if it continues could be morning in america for the president, but it's not easy. a long way to go, and gop presidential hopefuls are taking the opportunity to remind him of that. >> it's been a tough time.
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and i know the president didn't cause this downturn, this recession, but he didn't make it better, either. he made it worse. >> the truth is that if it gets better and better and better between now and the election, he will get some credit. on the other hand, if this is a lull before it starts getting worse, his election will be in enormous trouble. >> we checked that claim by newt gingrich, and it's pretty interesting. i didn't know what we would find, but we found more for president obama. even though the unemployment rate under reagan fell dramatically in 1984, it bottomed out in the spring and rose again in the summer. summer of '84, which was the last date the voters had, a few days before they wnt in to pull the lever, it was higher than it was in the spring. let's bring in jim beaungo, jamal, and ruhan. >> pretty interesting, the more you comb through the data, the trend, five months in a row of job creation and dropping
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unemployment rate, pretty good for the president in terms of re-election, isn't it? >> lower is always better, and that's going in the right direction. so that is a positive. if there's a flipside to that coin, it's that reagan won with a low 7% unemployment rate. but bush 41 lost in ' 92, carter lost and ford lost with similar numbers, around 7.5%. we have had four elections in the waurld war ii era with a seven handle on unemployment, and only one resulted in a re-election. >> you have a 25% chance even if things are improving. the president even though he doesn't want to come out and sound excited has got to be feeling really good. >> he certainly has to be feeling better. he should feel better. everybody in the country should feel better because things are going in the right direction. whenever i see the numbers in the morning, the first thing
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that comes to my mind is what must they be thinking at the mitt romney headquarters. are they celebrating the fact that things are looking better, or are they feeling down? i'm sure they're having mixed emotions about this. it does make it tougher for republicans to fight back. i think not only for the president, but also for the democrats who are running for congress, they really have a case now, with the american people, that says the republicans can either help make the recovery stronger or stand in the way of it. if the republicans are caught standing in the way of t they'll pay the price in november. >> what do you think the romney camp is thinking? it's possible, this is the sick thing about the unemployment numbers, people who haven't looked for jobs in a while don't count. when they start looking, ie, the job market gets better, the rate picks up. >> that's absolutely right. so you -- that pie chart was a useful way of thinking about it. we had a huge hit to the labor force participation in the country. that means the people looking
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for jobs, working, that's still at a really, really low level in historical terms. and it's not picking up. it ticks up when people are more optimistic about their prospects about finding work. in 2011, we had three months of tough job creation, february, march, and april, and then sub-100,000 jobs a month creation. that's another thing thaticate happen. this summer, we're going to see gash prices hit $5 a gallon. that's a big wallop to the economy. another thing is the seasonal adjustment. there's a lot that still remains to be seen. the economy is doing better, a robust expansion of exports and manufacturing, but it's still an uneven economy where some groups have much higher levels of unemployment than others. >> how much are people moved by headlines like five months in a row of dropping unemployment rate. 8.3% going in the right direction, as opposed to people feeling they're underemployed or
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working part time and want to work full time. >> i think there's no doubt that there's an emotionally driven fact rather than fact driven. the stock market is up 150 dow points today, all leads people to believe that things are getting better and that emotion will drive it. it's right to say that the participation rate is low. 1.2 million people have left the work force all together. if they decide to come back into the work force and look for a job, the unemployment rate could spike over 90%. it would be a bad thing because all of a sudden, the unemployment rate goes up. it's all about emotion, and the emotions are working now because everything is moving in the right direction. >> it's ironic that an improving economy could lead to a higher number and hurt the president. that could cause great frustration for his re-election camp. >> it won't feel very good, but
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at the end of the day, i have always said this from the very beginning and i'll say it again today, this election is not just going to be a referendum on the president. an nominee is, to be a choice looking like mitt romney perhaps, and ultimately, if you look at 1992 or look at 1980, who was the more optimistic forward looking, sunny faced candidate. ronald reagan in 1980, bill clinton in 1992. the president will be that person this year because mitt romney frankly has not really done himself any favors with his reputation over the last few months in the campaign. >> a bruising battle. some people make the aurm, you're ready for the final battle. some make the argument you're so bruised, you can't fight there. this is kind of a bizarre thing, and if you're into omens, i don't like to admit i am, but sometimes i am. we're on this weird grugorian calendar, and 28 years ago, it was the same calendar. we got a jobs number, election
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day on the 6th, exact same way this time, which is weird, but the bottom line is people are going to get a jobs number, literally, three days before they go to the polls. >> and that will make a big difference as far as how everybody is going to react because that's going to be the big number as we move in there. and i'm glad you were talking about the gregorian calendar and not the mind calendar which is meaningless after december. >> that puts a whole new twist on the election. >> also which team wins the world series and how that plays out. >> those ones, fine. those are like omens. but this one, i don't know. maybe there's a little more to it. well, gentlemen, thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> thank god i'm not a believer in the mien calendar. still out front, breaking news in the doping case against lance armstrong. just crossing, and staggering what we discovered.
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breaking news on lance armstrong and performance enhancing drugs. they said the federal probe into the biking champion has been closed. closed after all this. seven-time tour de france winner and his team were under investigation for years. charges that armstrong has strongly and repeatedly denied time and time again. senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin has more on the story. let me ask you what does it mean. is this done? >> this is what it means. remember raymond donovan, the secretary of labor under ronald reagan, he was investigated for years. and he was cleared and asked a famous question. he said, where do i go to get my reputation back? who do i see about that? it's kind of a haunting question for those of us who cover and
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report all these accusations. he has been investigated for years. nothing has come of it. this investigation is over. >> there are people who will always believe he did it, it affected his reputation. >> it will, and it's not fair. this guy is cleared. it's done, it's over. >> so this is then the deciding that he's innocent, not that they didn't have enough facts. >> the justice department never says anyone is innocent. they're not in the bgz of providing clear health. they're saying we can't find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that person x did thing y. as journalists, as citizens, i think the only thing we can conclude is there's nothing there. >> are they going to apologize to them. if so, does it help the reputation? >> they don't do apologies. well, they don't. and you know, i'm a former federal prosecutor myself. cases fall apart for various reasons, you think about how bad these cases have gone for the government. >> absolutely, absolutely not.
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barry bonds, they investigated him for years. tried him. he got 30 days house arrest. the case against roger clemens fell apart. maybe it will be retried, maybe it won't. >> not charging anybody? >> maybe it wasn't appropriate for criminal penalties. these cases have been disastrous for the government, and they need to rethink how they do them. >> all right, well, i guess he should be celebrating. i'm sure you're right. >> you can never get your reputation totally back. >> jeffrey, thank you very much. >> okay. violence eripting for a second day in egypt. at least seven people killed, more than 2,000 injured as protesters clash with police. this is after a deadly riot after a soccer game. 79 people were killed. police had been blamed for failing to provide any kind of security stepping back, and letting people kill each other
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with rocks and knives. also two american tourists are free. they were kidnapped in the sina eninsula in egypt. ben wedeman is following the story. good to see you. i wanted to start with the american tourists if you don't mind, and the two women. whaument do you know what about happened to them, who they were? >> they were two women tourists who had gone to st. catherines which is right next to mt. sinai. there they were on a bus, it was stopped, and apparently the kidnappers were looking specifically for americans. they took these two women off of the bus and took them away. now, negotiations quickly began between the budoan and authorities, egyptian authorities in the area. they wanted to have some of their tribesmen who were in prison released or retried. now, we were told that the
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egyptian authorities promised to do that, and therefore, the women were released just before sundown here in egypt, and they're fine. they're unharmed, and they're free now. >> at least, i suppose, is a little bit of good news. ben, you're in cairo tonight. 1400 people injured, but 2,000 people now around egypt as clashes are more widespread. what is your sense of whether this is under control or spiraling even more out of control right now? >> certainly here in cairo, it's been going around the clock since yesterday. and the clashes continue until now. in fact, just a while ago, the egyptian tax authority building was lit on fire. it's not quite sure how that happened, so the clashes continue. here, they continue in suez where we have at least four people killed. and now they have spread to the port city of alexandria as well. it's not clear whether they'll
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dissipate or simply continue and get worse. >> do you have any sense, ben, whether this is -- for lack of a better word, another revolution. you can see the government fall? we started to see parliamentary electoral process begin in egypt. is it possible all this could be derailed? >> well, it reminds me of the morning after hosni mubarak resigned. one of the big papers here had banner headlines that the people had toppled the regime. people are realizing that getting rid of mubarak was not topping the regime. it was removing the facade. the things that make people angry like the interior ministry and the history of police brutality and petty corruption, they feel that hasn't changed. people want to see fundamental change. until that happens, this kind of unrest, whether it's sparked by football or something else, is inevitable. it's going to continue. >> ben wedeman, thanks very
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much. reporting for us from cairo late on friday night. all right, still to come outfront, escalation between israel and iran. one calling the other a cancer today. and now specific looks at the scenario. how many planes does israel have? what route could they fly. how big are their bombs? what could they really do? we look, we have the math, we have the numbers and we're going to tell you about it. next, the weather does a number on air travel. plus drones watching new york city?
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so it's been an unusually warm winter so far for pretty much everyone across the country. people around the country have had their prayers answered with fresh powder and snow out west. in the bronx, or in kansas, bought if you went to the rockies, you had a bad problem. you got the storm you were looking for with over 9 inches of counting. six flights were canceled thursday night and today in the snow. as our boss said, wow, a lot of flights going in and out of denver. people didn't expect there were thought many flights going in and out of denver, but there are. and a lot of prns in that airport. which brings us to tonight's number, 19. that's the number in thousands of airplanes that can be in the
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air the same time at any given time around the world. take a look at this animation. pretty cool. this shows time elapsed flight patterns over the united states from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. you can see it heat up on the east and move to the west. neat but kind of terrifying because when you're in one of those planes and you look out your window mid-flight, what makes you more scared, the fact you know there are thousands and thousands of planes and you never see them and they're one level below you so you don't see it, or is it more scary that you should see more? with 19,000 planes in the air at the same time, maybe it would be more comfortable to see them flying around. that's tonight's number. >> still outfront, the outfront five. israeli strikes. >> dealing with a nuclear iran would be far more complex, far more dangerous, and far more expensive in blood and money than today.
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we start the second half of the show with stories we care about, do the reporting, and find the outfront five. >> the u.s. economy added 244,000 johns.
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that was much expected. stocks surged as a result. all three averages up by more than a percent. nasdaq, levels not seen since december in the year 2000. number two, the fbi has launched a criminal investigation after confirming a hacking group reported a call between the fbi and scotland yard. law enforcement officials tell us that the conversation was recorded after an e-mail about the conference call was intercepted. the call was placed two weeks ago and involved an investigation into a hacking group called lulsec. they added no fbi computers were hacked. but they're accused of hacking three computers run by the british government. >> following public outrage, the susan g. komen administration backtracked and reinstated funding for planned parenthood. we want to apologize to the american public for recent
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decisions that cast doubt on our commitment to our mission of saving lives. they restored funds at planned parenthood. they said it came from a policy change and not because they perform abortions as some suggestioned. the organization has used the branch to provide 170,000 breast exams for women who couldn't afford them otherwise. >> the services industry which is the largest part of the american economy and growing and growing more quickly than people thought. another good sign, adding to the jobs number. one analyst told outfront that the uptick in hiring could be because of the unseasonably warm winter. a plus side to global warming. also, prizes are going up, which is good for businesses, bad for consumers. although right now, having absolutely no inflation means no wage growth either. it's been 182 days since the
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u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? >> outfront tonight, rising tensions between israel and iran. and if you believe the dangerous rhetoric which has been flying around, a military confrontation appears certain and soon. it's a showdown that they're watching. the defense minister said the standoff is entering a fateful period before the 1967 war where israel bombed several arab nations in days, and back home, leon panetta suggesting there's a strong likelihood they will strike iran's nuclear facilities this spring. david mackenzie is out front. thank you. good to see you. iran's prime leader lashing out at israel, calling it a cancer. what has been the reaction here? >> this is rhetoric that is going on between israel and iran
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and between iran, israel, and the u.s. what we have seen ing the last few weeks is that every day in the paper, on the street, from the words, the mouths of the leaders here, not taking this strike off the table against iran. now, whether this is rhetoric that is being used to push forward diplomatic sanctions against iran or whether israeli leaders believe they're under threat, remains to be seen, and they worry that they might be painting themselves into a corner. >> do israelis believe that war is imminent, or is the common perception that this is a cycle, although an escalating cycle, of rhetoric? >> that's a great way to put, an escalating cycle. a few weeks ago, the defense minister said any strike was in the distant future. now he's talking about it like it's an imminent thing.
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i think israelis are a little more cynical. yes, people have spoken to me that they're really worried about iran, that the threat that iran might pose, but they know this is a game on some level that is being played. it could be a very deadly game, but they are used to threats here in israel, and this threat has been spoken about more seriously than previous threats, but there is a sense of real politics going on, and again, you know, the one thing that a lot of israelis tell me is that if there's a strike, you're not going to know about it. no one is going to speak about it and it will happen and take everyone by vise. that's what the u.s., the strongest ally of israel, is worried about. >> thank you. you heard david talking about it. what would actually happen if the war of words leads to an israeli strike. we're going to play out a few scenarios on how an attack might unfold.
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these are coming from a leading person on intelligence. according to them, israeli fighter jets would choose from three routes, a northern route, central route, and southern route. the northern route, which is along the syrian and turkish board, would be the most ideal, but it would be a high risk proposition if you didn't have a guaranteed assurance of success. now there is the route, now we want to show you the target. from the study, three key targets are sites. a uranium enrichment facility, a nuclear research center. you can see all of the three places right there. now, keep those up.
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they said the mission would require warheads of at least 2,000 pounds, along with a bunker of at least 5,000 pounds, you may recall that the united states now for this purpose has been developing a bunker buster bomb of up to 30,000 pounds because a lot of the stuff could be buried deep underground. it's unclear whether the israeli bombs could do the job. they could have secret locations in other places but well, well below the ground. out front, colonel leighton. thanks for taking the time. >> sure, erin. my pleasure. >> looking at the map here, put together, and the possible three key locations that the israelis could bomb. the first question i guess, and the most obvious question, are those really the three right places and the routes? >> those are the three basic routes. as far as the places are concerned, you really have to take a look at a lot of different areas that they have used.
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when you look at the other places, those are major centers that we believe the iranians are using for their nuclear weaponseft. however, there are some sites near tehran, near the southern part of iran, that may eventually be on a targ list for this type of activity. it goes back to the roots as far as central or southern roots. i believe that it's probably one of the best routes that could be used for this, but a lot depends on where radar coverage is. that's what they're going to be looking at when they do this operational planning. >> and what about payload. we have talked about this, these massive ordinance bombs. 5,000 pound bomb has been reported that israel would have and use. which i guess would be intended to slow down the destruction. obviously, we have been talking
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about the united states, for the purpose of taking away iran's nuclear capability might need a bond with 30,000 pounds payload. does israel have what it needs? >> maybe not. that's a pretty destructive bomb. it depends on the type of target you're going after. for this target, usually you want to do something with at least 5,000 pounds, and the higher the better in these particular cases. at a certain point, you get to a point of diminishing returns. the 30,000 pound bomb is going to go after targets that are deep under ground, that have concrete between themselves and the insulation. and they're designed to go after north korean targets, and both iran and north korea have had a lot of practice, you know, keeping their target areas safe. areas that we consider target areas. >> what is inbottom line?
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do you think israel will attack, and if so, would they do so in secret, do some damage to iran? iran wouldn't want to talk about it because they don't want to go to war, and it wouldn't be enough to end their nuclear program, just set it back a bit. is that a possible scenario or no scenario that doesn't lead to a full war? >> it is a possible scenario. if you are going to have an attack, there are certain precedents, for example, the israeli attack on iraq in 1981 and the israeli attack against the syrian nuclear facility in 2007. the syrian one especially was kept secret. the iranians may however in this case, because the whole environment that we're dealing with, this is a very heated environment, i think it will be much more out in the open, and they'll feel a national pride that will require them to respond to the attack. that's where the danger comes in. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it, and we'll have a lot more on this on monday.
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>> you bet, thanks. >> we have breaking news i want to get to you right away as it's coming in here on my blackberry to cnn. >> lang armstrong has released a statement to the u.s. doping department closing their investigation on him. armstrong said, quote, i am glad to learn that the u.s. attorney's office is closing their investigation. it is it right decision and i commend them for reaching it. i look forward to continuing my life as a father, a competitor, and an advocate in the fight against cancer without the distraction. jeffrey toobin talked about the reputational damage and how he'll recover from that, but it's something he's happy about. >> ron paul responding to accusations he's hurting the gop nominee by staying in the race. >> and information in the case of the murdmother who was strangled to death in michigan.
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on the eve of the nevada caucuses, mitt romney is holding a double digit lead over newt gingrich. and ron paul skipped it to focus on nevada. he's a distance fourth. it's raising questions about his strategy. these caucus states, colorado, maine, washington, and delegates are awarded proportionately in those states. there are 28 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. while paul's approach may not be enough to win a nomination, he told piers morgan he's not giving up. >> a lot of candidates are coming and going. they peek out, and then they're gone. we did have nine. we're down to four right now. one thing characteristic of our campaign is that its steady growth. >> all right, but is that growth large enough to stay in the race. if it isn't, who do his supporters back? they're really, really passionate. we have a republican strategist,
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ryan doherty, the book of the ron paul book, and he has inspired a movement. let's start by looking at the delegate count. mitt romney, 85. newt gingrich, 27. paul in third with 10. he's making his bet on caucus states where he does well and places where he gets proportional awarding of delegates, but either he wins all of the states he wants to win, 160 dell gets of 1,144 that he needs. >> no doubt about that. let's not discount what you get, the passion, the momentum. especially for the people involved. if you look at the ron paul voters, these are disaffected voters. that's a really important thing. they didn't like the system to begin with anyway. in many ways, it's more theoretical than it is political. you didn't see them moving up the ranks in the political system. and i honestly believe they're
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following the momentum of ron paul. when he moves on, assuming that he decides to fall behind who the eventual gop nominee is, there's no guarantee they're going to go with him. >> let me ask that because there is facts, the university of north florida in jacksonville, and the ron paul supporters are so passionate. they're young, and they really care. we put the question to them, if not your guy, then who? they go, i don't know. i'm going to write him in. they don't say, okay, i'll go behind the vench well nominee, like a traditional or older voter might do. where do the voters go if not ron paul? >> what you're pointing out is the reason that the republican party needs to basically be nicer to ron paul than they were last time, if ron paul doesn't end up being the nominee. what you pointed out is true. ron paul people are not from some other part of the republican party. they are people largely drawn from the unsung near majority of
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americans. the 40% to 50% who don't vote at all, even in most presidential elections, and that's probably where most of them will go again. if the republican party shows respect for them, for ron paul's ideas, and for ron paul's people, they will start to have the role of the republican party that people in 1960 did. they seem like we're no outsiders, but they're going to shake the future of the party. >> it was interesting, talking to newt gingrich about -- in south carolina, he told me, i'm trying to find a special role for ron paul. he wasn't implying vp, but something to bring him in. and mitt romney, now there's reports that mitt romney's wife and ron paul's wife have become friendly, and the washington post is talking about they're coordinating things like when they appear in the press. what if anything would get ron paul onboard if mitt romney ends up being the nominee. is there anything, or is that sort of anti-ethical to who he
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is, to being a movement, to saying things like end the fed. >> if ron paul is not the candidate, i would be very surprised to see him actually endorse mitt romney, but there's a level at which he might not go after him as much as others. mitt romney is not going to come around on ron paul's core reform policy issues. he may come around a bit on the federal reserve stuff. he may become somewhat stronger on his statement of how much he'll cut spending. but i think ron paul would be seen as a bit of a sell out if he endorsed mitt romney without mitt romney becoming a lot more like ron paul, which is unlikely. >> i think that's safe to say, all right. thanks to both of you. have a great weekend. >> financial troubles, another woman, and a hitman for hire. these are allegations in the death of a michigan woman. we have been covering this. 56-year-old jane bashara was found strangled in the back seat of her mir sadies, tonight, no charges.
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but questions are increasing about her husband's story and the handyman who works for him. that man was held for 72 hours in his connection with the case and was released this even. wall and sonny have been following the case for us. talking about whether the husband just put a gun, and paul not thinking he was involved. what did you find out that was bizarre but added another layer to the story? >> every day, something crazy develops. now a dominateric, an s & m mistress said he's a regular at s & m clubs in the detroit area, and there's a miserous who has been added to the mix, which adds to the motive to kill his wife. >> apparently, he's the owner of the s & m club and holds the parties.
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so in this story, we were discussing it. and everyone was saying this man is just such an upstanding citizen. he loves his wi of 26 years. he could never do something -- >> you don't know what people in rotary are doing at all times. >> they have an alternative lifestyle. did his wife know about this? motive for murder? sure thing. >> he's going to throw this on the table, the murder is so bizarre of the wife being strangled. could it be an accident in terms of s & m activity? i'm not saying because we don't know if the police are investigating, but all i know is that sonny's homeless hitman she thought was the murderer last time was released by the police this time. >> i never thought that was the murderer. i think the police are taking tear time to investigate this case. only been under two weeks. so we don't want to rush the judgment, but let's face it, a
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person of interest, the only person of interest, and even though they have the handyman who has come forward, the police aren't changing their tune. >> tell us about the handyman, the handyman who supposedly said, he gave me a couple thousand dollars to kill his wife. his attorney was trying to disgrace his credibility. listen to what the lawyer said. >> the more times you question him, the more ammunition you're giving to me to cross-examine him and tear him apart on the witness stand. so if you have a good witness, you interview him one time. >> right, paul? >> no, he's absolutely wrong. i have to say, this guy is an experienced prosecution, but he's a federal prosecution formerly, and you would think he would do the right thing and say the right thing. here is the recognize thing. you speak the truth if you're a prosecutor. if you have to interview somebody 20 times to get the
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truth, interview him 20 times. i disagree with it. >> bottom line is, you should interview your witnesses once, twice, as many times as you need to get to the truth. perhaps they have a bigger fish to fry because they released him. that tells me in my experience they're still looking at someone else. >> and if that someone else is bob bashara, or someone else, his lawyer did speak to the media for about an hour. is that unusual? >> it's mere postoring, and it tells me that he's afraid for his client. >> it's dangerous, also, because frankly, when you're defending in a case like this early in the investigation, your lawyer is talking for an hour. he may be revealing things that could help the prosecutor make the case. he's treating it like it's a public relations exercise. it's a big mistake in a murder case. >> we see lawyers doing it more and more.
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>> he keeps following the sandusky path. i don't think it's going to go well for his client, but i'm still trying to defend big bob here. so we'll see. >> a bit more fascinating. >> we'll see what he has to add to it. >> thanks to both of you. outfront next, the art of surveillance and drones watching out tonight.
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now something that made us go hmm. we were walking through the streets of brooklyn when he saw this. it's a sign, not saying the stopping anytime, but drone activity is in effect. drone activity in new york city? we were e-mailing each other into the wee hours of thursday morning because we were disturbed about it, and we called the nypd. it turns out that that sign is not real. it was actually the work of a local artist who wanted to remain unnamed. a 28-year-old army veteran who worked with drones in two tours in iraq. he said, quote, when i joined
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up, i was a run of the mill republican from maine. that's what he told the new yorker. after he was discharged, he became a radical art school students. a parking sign is so munoninous, but if you're paying attention, holy grap. the strange thing is how easily we believed that sign about drone activity. maybe we're conspiracy theorists, but it seems to say something about the world we live in. we were disturbed but not surprised at all that our government would be watching us. maybe we were surprised only that they would tell us they were watching us. and we don't seem to get that much thought, even though when i was in pakistan, american drones were the single biggest reason for their biggest anti-american sentiment. we but imagine how we feel if drones were watching us at home. if they were watching and they helped catch a terrorist or a murderer, would we be okay with the drones then? ten years from 9/11, ten years

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